Getting Started with Hand Saws // Total beginner, hand tool woodworking.
Getting Started with Hand Saws // Total beginner, hand tool woodworking.
It’s easy to buy handsaws for your woodwork, but you need a know a few things before you buy.
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0:00 Intro
0:21 The First Saw
1:15 Medium Tool
2:24 Big & Aggressive
4:31 Pitch & Teeth
7:25 Workbench Sessions
8:33 Sizes
10:30 Going Vintage
13:25 Something New
15:38 Outro
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I have one of those 4 TPI rip saws. I can confirm it is a genuine monster. I don’t know how I ever lived without it.
if you have a saw plate thats getting close to end of its life, something to do is chop the old plate up into cabinet scrapers.
Then again, you can get a brand new Stanley 15-300 for $8. It’s resharpenable, great saw to dimension lumber with. Did I mention it’s only $8?
Hi Rex! Good video on saws! Stuff everyone use be taught in mandatory Junior High Industrial Arts Shop Class, now a days not available!
Just wanted to point out that Shop Fox makes the perfect dial caliper for wood workers. Dial has 2 scales, thousandths and fractional down to the 64ths.
I got mine 20 years ago at a wood working show for $20. Today they are $50, but worth every penny.
Even though I haven’t done much wood working in the past 5 years, I still use it and comes in handy as it is a very accurate depth gauge as well.
Love your videos and was excited about this one! Please enable English captions so I can learn tooooo!
I didn’t hear any mention of the essential saw set. It’s pretty hard to restore or maintain a saw without one.
My god this dude is sketch AF
Today I saw a very easy and fast way to clamp a saw for sharpening, if someone do not had the time for the clamp from rex https://youtu.be/ZVrWlA8edWw
…… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx75kcQybFA
Just downloaded your saw vise plans, very good indeed, nice detail. Obviously, I’ll complain once I’ve ruined my fourth attempt at making.
Yaaaaa Roy
I have a tree cutting saw that’s like 2 tpi.
Restored an old disston alot like the one your neighbor threw out only thing I lacked was a saw vise so I just put some wood scraps bout 14" long in a 4" desk vise worked fine found mine covered in rust against an I beam in a chemical plant
Looking forward to a new saw restoration video 😉
A pal of mine used a cloth and some diesel to wipe off surface rust off a piece of steel. Worked like a charm. 🙂
In case of Japanese saws, will be good to say – they are pull saws! I like Japanese saws, because kerf is thin as blade, less material must be removed and pull saw is better for precision cut. It is easy to cut in perfect straight for example plywood sheet. 🙂
Hey Rex, this is a great, informative video. I am wondering if I need to change the configuration of a saw from, say rip to criss-cut, do I have to hammer the set teeth first then re-set them after I make the change or just leave the set alone?
I got a hand saw and now my hand is on the floor…😮
Are there Japanese hand saws available that don’t have synthetic / plasticy handles?
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I’d never heard of the points per inch measure, and I must say, it’s kinda stupid. It’s a good example of the so-called fencepost problem familiar to mathematicians: do you count both first and last fenceposts when reckoning the number of fenceposts per unit length? No, just one or the other. The "points per inch" measure doesn’t tell you how many teeth there are per unit measure, but rather the number of teeth per unit measure plus one. You might as well say that there are thirteen inches in a foot, if you count all the lines.
Sorry for the rant. Great work as usual. I’m a musical instrument maker in Vienna, and I get by pretty well with only Japanese saws. But as you say, they all work.
Greetings from sunny Vienna, Scott
Got just the rioba now. Next (personal) step- Cheap jigsaw (with diy fences) for ruff work, rioba for the backup and medium cuts and more expensive 1 or 2 saws for detail/precision work.
The BIG issue that is missing here is that re-sharpenable saws also have to be SET. They won’t work if you just file them, they also need a set on the teeth.
I think that’s why every time I watch Rex trying to saw things, he is working like a demon yet going nowhere. A properly sharp and set saw just glides through the wood, like a properly sharpened chisel.
Finally some info on resharpenable bahco, for whatever reason they are dirt cheap in my country, something like 12 bucks, so I might buy 2 and have this problem sorted out. Thank you Rex, your videos are always helpful
No mention of setting the teeth? Yeah, it’s a big subject … 😃
Thanks for another great video Rex
The victorian sytle saw pieces were forged. The modern saw pieces are stamped from sheet medal.
Looks like you neatened up your clamps that were hanging in the back?
to me the choice isnt about “do you want to make japanese furniture or western furniture,” you can make japanese furniture with western saws and bise versa. The question is “do you want to sharpen your saw or do you want to just buy new blades when the old ones are done?”
https://youtu.be/M_-hee3aFyg
Awesome video, the wife and I are getting into woodworking as a fun hobby together and your videos have been great. Curious have you ever made a easel for a large whiteboard? I’ve been trying to find a good setup for one but so far i cant find anything really well detailed?
I bought a crosscut hand saw the other day that was manufactured by Disston, according to the medallion it was manufactured between 1917 and 1942. There aren’t any teeth missing and is sharp…very sharp. It’s in really good shape, someone took good care of it. Oh and the price I paid for it in the pawn shop was only $8.
…… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx75kcQybFA
This is so helpful! Thanks, Rex!
The Most underrated carpentry youtube channel out there. I love your work and the dedication to your job.
Do you recommend a set of saw files? Thanks, dc
Those steps look great!
I’ll give you an idea for another video on this (thank me later): how about "converting" a cross-cut (not a modern one with reinforced teeth, the older ones, the ones you could re-sharpen) into a RIP cut? I would like to know how to do that! Thanks for the video!
Geat content as always. Could have used some example shots/images of "surface" vs "problem" rust. If one is just getting started with restoration of metal tools—this isn’t always obvious. So examples might be worth the extra effort/edit time in this particular case. Regardless, thanks again for the educational content!
Oh wow, I never realized there were different saws for ripping and cross-cut. I’m surprised I didn’t learn that in shop class.
Rex – you are truly a gifted entertainer/educator! Thank you for your time and effort in this channel. I find myself always excited to see how the videos go!
I feel like using imperial measurements for saw pitch in europe is a modern thing, since now most hand tool information comes from the anglo saxon countries. If you look at more "really" europeans saws and old books, you usually see it written as the distance in mm between two teeth (unless they’re REALLY old books, like Roubo, then it’s the distance in "lignes", which is the old measurement in france)
The video doesn’t mention the distinction between cutting on the pull stroke versus cutting on the push stroke. A pull saw needs to have a thicker plate (and thus cut a wider kerf) so it won’t bend on the stroke. The plate of a pull saw is in tension during the cut so will stay straight.
In most activities pulling is more stable than pushing. If you pull a grocery cart you can do so with one finger and don’t even need to think about steering it.
Front wheel drive cars are safer under slippery conditions than rear wheel drive cars.
This is why we have the old adage "don’t put the cart before the horse."
I think the learning time for making straight cuts is significantly less with a pull saw.
I don’t do much woodworking and my projects are simple, but getting a pull saw made sawing a lot easier for me.
Another tool that helped a lot was a magnetic saw guide. I have poor eyesight and can barely see a pencil line well enough to follow it. The guide holds the saw on track without me having to look or think. I recently had to make a circular cut in a sheet of aluminum with a jewelers saw and couldn’t follow my line even with such a slow, fine tooth saw.
What are your thoughts on bow saws? They are fairly easy to make and blades are fairly cheap, plus if you have a diamond tipped metal drill bit you can repurpose broken bandsaws
This is a little off to left field, but I would be very interested in seeing a japanese tool box made in the wood work for humans series.
Great lesson with the right amount of snark.
The 4 tpi hand saw is what I had growing up. It was my grandpa’s saw, he actually modified a higher tpi saw to get 4 tpi and honestly I hated using it because I was really young and didn’t have the power to start that aggressive cut efficiently. One time my brother asked me to cut some 2x4s and I was taking a long time to do it, the saw kept bowing when I tried to push it, he got irritated with me and didn’t let me help anymore. I never wanted to use the push saw again. That is probably the reason I like pull saws now. Every time I use a push saw to this day it brings up those feelings of inadequacy 😂
Hi, I recently restored and turned an antique Disston rip cut saw into a cross cut saw. Seems to be working fine, but Im getting negative feed back from friends about it. Oh well! Any objections from you or viewers? It was really difficult to find a an antique rip cut. I think it was a fine idea, folks have been modifying tools since the first tool, and its not like I modified or ruined a 10k saw, it was $15 bucks at an antique store. Thanks in advance
Hey, any chance you could tell me which one of my neighbors Is going to throw away a handsaw? And when that might happen? I’d appreciate it my friend..
Lol JK. I actually own 9 handsaws. 4 western, 3 Japanese, and 2 coping saws. One of the coping saws is a Knew Concepts saw. And it cost around 100 dollars.. It’s a really nice saw. Which it should be for that price..
Anyhow, I’m a long time subscriber, and viewer of your channel. I really enjoy your work, and videos. Keep up the great work my friend. Your awesome..
Went to go look up a Bahco saw. Found a review: "They just don’t make them like this anymore. . ."
_They’re literally reviewing a product that is made right now._