"I Should've Gotten A 3hp Saw"

"I Should've Gotten A 3hp Saw"

There’s a lot of “know-it-alls” on the internet and interestingly enough, they don’t usually know it all… at all. Contrary to popular belief, you CAN cut a lot of material just fine with a less-than-3hp table saw. Sharp blades with the right tooth geometry for material you are trying to cut, and the type of cutting you are trying to do, and paying attention to your feed rate can go a LONG WAY. Remember, typically 3hp motors and above require 240v service in your shop. For most of us in a home garage, that isn’t available. If you have the right type of power for the bigger motor saw, GO FOR IT! I’ve never heard anyone say “Gee, I wish I would have gotten a tool with LESS power.”. But you shouldn’t be afraid to get the lesser powered saw either, and in some cases you can upgrade the saw’s motor later on down the road anyway.

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50 Comments

  1. K on May 18, 2022 at 7:52 pm

    Have a 2hp 110 delta table saw and a 3hp 220 delta unisaw there is no comparison the 110 easily bogs down from ripping Douglas fir the 220 eats it for breakfast the only thing you get from a 110 cabinet saw over a dewalt jobsite saw is a cast iron top



  2. Ryan Hanslo on May 18, 2022 at 7:53 pm

    A big thanks bud! I am currently going the tooling process for my new shop and have been struggling with the same decision. You have made my life a whole lot easier. THANKS



  3. LDB84 on May 18, 2022 at 7:56 pm

    You are right about the know it all’s . I bought the same saw, was running on 120v first then I ran power and switched it for 240v, this is a great table saw. I have cut 2in ash and maple no problem, and also not any feed rate problem doing this, even with the stock blade. Would I have gotten the larger motor capacity if I was already set up for it maybe? But I was trying get my shop together and buying other equipment as well. Do not regret that purchase at all.



  4. Chris Frederic on May 18, 2022 at 7:56 pm

    I have an old contractor style saw with a 1.5HP motor, and for years I thought it was under powered since it would struggle to cut hardwoods or even 2x material. Than I bought a few high quality blades (+$80, full kerf), and guess what? All my problems went away. I recently ripped a bunch of 8/4 white oak with no issues. No marks and the saw didn’t struggle one bit. It cuts 3/4 Baltic Birch like a hot knife through butter. Good quality blades make all the difference.



  5. GRB201110119 on May 18, 2022 at 7:59 pm

    Anyone that replied that the SawStop 1 & 3/4 hp saw is garbage should not even be responded to!



  6. Jeff Hildreth on May 18, 2022 at 8:00 pm

    In 1985 I bought a 5hp 12" table saw made in Taiwan. It was $1500 USD. It had a sliding table and a 1 " arbor.
    In 5 minutes of use on 3/4 pine the motor burned up. I called the dealer, he called the importer/distributor who said piss up a rope, you’re an owner, deal with it. The dealer , Santa Rosa Tool in Calif stepped to the plate and offered to pay to have the motor rebuilt. I lived 150 miles away. Took the saw to a local pro motor repair/builder. He said the motor was at best 2 hp and crap windings and bearings. They rebuilt the saw for $115 to a full American 3 hp.
    It has now been running well for over 35 years. Don’t trust HP ratings from machines made in Asia. Don’t assume you have quality wiring or bearings. As their are 12 battery manufacturers in the US and hundreds of brands, there are a few machine makers in Taiwan and China and hundreds of brands. US greedy importers specify the quality and pass it on to you. Do not assume you are getting what you pay for .. to include all the major brands such as Powermatic, Saw Stop, Power Matic etc.



  7. Thomas Bridges on May 18, 2022 at 8:00 pm

    I am now looking at a Harvey 2 hp or 3 hp. I thing for weekender the 2 hp is fine. Stopsaw I think is over rated and over priced . Yes I wan t keep my fingers, and I have for 40 years at it now going into retirement I just need one that will do clean straight cuts. I now have a DeltaT2. Iio volt is fine and I only have a 220 line into my laundry room



  8. AL Genaro on May 18, 2022 at 8:01 pm

    thank you for putting this out there!



  9. Mr. Meds on May 18, 2022 at 8:01 pm

    Agree



  10. Russell Casperson on May 18, 2022 at 8:04 pm

    I know I wish I got a 3hp saw I didn’t think I would work with as much hardwood that I do but I bog mine down all the time. The strange thing is that I got worse performance using an expensive Forrest blade. I think I need a more powerful motor to spin that heavier blade but idk. You can make any saw work just need to work around the limitations.



  11. Wooden Plant on May 18, 2022 at 8:04 pm

    Its interesting when you dont know something is "underpowered" until someone tells you it is. What’s even more amazing is the person that tells you it has not actually used both to truly compare.



  12. C.A. Ryan on May 18, 2022 at 8:06 pm

    Excellent video, love the subtle humor. I’m a hobby hack guy that likes building stuff out in the garage. I have a Dewalt jobsite saw and have been blown away with what I have been able to do with it. Secret: I keep my blades sharpened by a professional, and I keep them cleaned. Just cleaning the blades a couple times a year is huge for cut performance.



  13. Ian DeRanieri on May 18, 2022 at 8:09 pm

    Exactly what I needed to hear when I needed to hear it. Thanks mate



  14. Mike Casey on May 18, 2022 at 8:11 pm

    Im about to buy a 1.75 sawstop, but befor i do I have one question regarding exotic woods specifically. Have you had any trouble with the horse power of the machine while making rip cuts or any difficult cut a that? I do use a full kerf CMT ripping blade for rip cuts (its still pretty sharp)



  15. Se Winvicta on May 18, 2022 at 8:12 pm

    1:40
    Regarding the 240 V (a couple people have already pointed this out in the comments), if you have 120 V, you have 240 V, and you don”t need an electrician to do it for you. Once you’ve done the research to learn how to do it per code, you’ll be amazed by how simple it is. You then can spend the money saved to buy any blades you’d like, and use them on a 3HP saw, i.e. you can have the best of the two worlds, AND the peace of mind that no one can out-do you without a Felder-level budget.



  16. Carl Marshall on May 18, 2022 at 8:15 pm

    I just bought the same saw. Was making shipman when my old Delta gave out. Put my Dado saw blades on putt 3/8 ×3/8 dad’s on both sides of 10 foot 1×6’s like it was cutting butter. Love my new saw!



  17. Demon Zerker on May 18, 2022 at 8:19 pm

    A 1.5hp saw is perfect for anyone who works out of their house. The only ones who need a 3hp or larger saw is for those who do a mass production on an item that doesn’t really change much but need the power to pump out high numbers in 1 day.



  18. Bee-u-tiful Adventures on May 18, 2022 at 8:21 pm

    Okay I will openly admit that, being the newbie woodworker, I am the opposite of "know-it-all" that you are referring to. I fully understand your rant though. My biggest problem is I just don’t know what blades to get. What blade/tooth/rake/chipper/full kerf/thin kerf kind of blade am I supposed to be using to cut what kinds of wood? Do you have, or would you please make, an in-depth video to teach us newly inspired woodcrafters all about the different blades for our 10" table saws? I am pretty sure that I am not the only newbie that is searching for this sort of knowledge but just cannot locate it. Thanks for you time. 🙂



  19. Bill Balleza on May 18, 2022 at 8:23 pm

    One thing to note is that a thin kerf blade is not recommended for a SawStop because it may negate the main safety feature. The safety cartridge is not designed to work with thin kerf blades.



  20. Ivan’s Country Music and Cars on May 18, 2022 at 8:24 pm

    You can cut foam with that saw? Wow! I’m still buying the 3hp.



  21. dillmassive on May 18, 2022 at 8:24 pm

    Thanks for your honest and humble opinion. I like how you called out the people bitching, you can never make everyone happy, but you helped me out. I am wondering if i should spend the money I dont have on a 3hp and electrical, but if I can add that on later, then I you just helped me make up my mind and I’m going for the 1.75 for now. Its better than getting a garbage saw that will have to be completly replaced later. I might not need all this saw right off the bat, but I 100 percent agree with you on getting ready for the future. If you have the money, get something good once and don’t look back. Thanks



  22. Jim Knowles on May 18, 2022 at 8:24 pm

    Hey now…..bitching is the only thing I am good at…..



  23. Mrdubomb on May 18, 2022 at 8:26 pm

    I keep stressing this logic to my wife but she doesnt get it…yet



  24. Frederik Mare on May 18, 2022 at 8:27 pm

    Thanks, great video as always!!! As with all power tools, it’s the cutter that does the work!… As long as your cutting tools are sharp, you can go a very long way with "underpowered" tools!



  25. qn1010 on May 18, 2022 at 8:28 pm

    Have the same saw and after 5 years of use (still) haven’t found it “underpowered”. Agree about right sharp blade comment



  26. Chris Swartzwelder on May 18, 2022 at 8:28 pm

    Blade is everything. As long as the blades sharp I’ve cut with 1 hp saws all the wood in the world. You’ll never have a problem.



  27. I like pears! on May 18, 2022 at 8:28 pm

    That was super helpful. I have been on the fence about buying a 3hp vs 1.75 hp saw, and I really respect your opinion and feel better about stretching to buy the Sawstop over the Grizzly 1023.



  28. David Kitchen on May 18, 2022 at 8:28 pm

    Thank you for this video. I was on the fence on the same saw, but was concerned if future me would be upset that I got a 1.75 HP. (The 3HP would require me to do a lot of electrical upgrades.) Probably pulling the trigger on a 1.75 HP SS tomorrow!



  29. Jason Christiansen on May 18, 2022 at 8:29 pm

    I did a lot of good work with my 1.5 hp delta, but when I moved up to 3hp things just cut a little quicker and a little cleaner. Just my 2 cents



  30. I' ts on May 18, 2022 at 8:30 pm

    If you wanna go to New York getting off in Chicago won’t help.



  31. Richard on May 18, 2022 at 8:31 pm

    Using a Table saw is really about 3 things The right blade A sharp clean blade and tip speed – if you do not over feed the material or try ripping with a crosscut blade your be fine, you may over load the circuit the saw is on or may need to have a dedicated 20 amp circuit. Use the saw within its designed ability.



  32. Forest Woodworks on May 18, 2022 at 8:31 pm

    My heart broke at the thumbnail, but it was slowly pieced together again. Heart hands 🫂.

    In all seriousness, I’ve seen your content a couple times and like your no-nonsense style. Thanks for the review!



  33. Thomas Bridges on May 18, 2022 at 8:32 pm

    This is right where I’m at. I like 220 volt cost to operate but I am just a weekender so not a big deal and I made the mistake when finishing my shop not to add more 220 outlets because its all drywalled and I have ONE 220 line and its to my Washing machine that’s in a closet but only 15 ft. away from my saw. O’ wanted to ask you what blade did you sue or suggest for cherry and hard maple. Love you advise on this I really need it. I watch all you videos and your always very helpful. TY



  34. Derek Dean on May 18, 2022 at 8:35 pm

    I’m upgrading from my Skilsaw 8 1/4 table saw to the sawstop 1.75hp cabinet saw. My Skilsaw ate through everything. Ever. Huge slabs of cedar. Two sheets of 3/4 plywood stacked up. And 3” of white oak. Never buckled. Went right through everything. I’ve seen the machines side by side. The 1.75 sawstop is fine. The motor alone is 3x the size. It can go through boards no problem.



  35. Chris Diggs on May 18, 2022 at 8:35 pm

    Thanks for your comments. 👍🏼



  36. LDB84 on May 18, 2022 at 8:35 pm

    Just to add to this, the saw is not underpowered in any way.



  37. Brad Watson on May 18, 2022 at 8:36 pm

    Nothing to bitch about? You underestimate the stupidity of people online 😂



  38. Nanoqx on May 18, 2022 at 8:37 pm

    Love the channel, yes you take a $200 hit, about $600 vs $400 or so when upgrading after purchasing. But if it’s not in the cards, don’t let the extra $400 up front or the lack of 220v power deprive you of getting an awesome saw. Jody, I have a 3HP PCS and good friend the has a woodworking business that has a 1.75HP PCS. I rib him about the 1.75HP, you know, size matters, but he hasn’t had any problems running a small woodworking business with it. He couldn’t get 220v either, so the 1.75HP was his only option. With all that being said, if you do have 220v, and the $400 is in the budget, it is a worthwhile upgrade. If you ever want to use a dado stack, this is where the 3HP can make a significant difference on how deep of a cut one could make on each pass. Either way, it is an accurate saw that is a pleasure to use and own.



  39. GrumpyWiseGuy on May 18, 2022 at 8:37 pm

    Same with bandsaws. I almost bought a 220V only, 17 inch bandsaw, but at the last moment decided on a 14 inch, 120V, "resaw" version. When I got the saw, I quickly realized that these saws are quite large, my needs didn’t include resawing entire trees, and where was I going to put the smaller saw. Blades are everything on bandsaws as well. Much harder to change out however. Great video.



  40. KesselRunHero j on May 18, 2022 at 8:37 pm

    I can tell you I used to have a 3 hp Jet Cabinet saw and it was the biggest joy to use and work with. I could cut anything, any time I wanted. I did not have to change blades constantly- a combination blade did everything I needed it to flawlessly, and By the way I kept my blades sharp, but removing a blade once every 6 months to replace with a sharp blade, is a whole lot different than changing a blade twice a day every time I switched between cross cutting and ripping. I loved that saw, it cut anything I fed it like butter!
    Now I am working of of a 1.5hp contractors saw- I can do everything on the smaller saw that I could do on the cabinet saw in terms of cutting, but it takes longer, I spend more of my time changing blades. feeding material more slowly, and adjusting my saw than i ever had to do with the bigger saw.
    I do not need a 3 hp cabinet saw, it did not make my woodworking any better, it did not magically improve my skills, it did not allow me to do something that I cannot do with a smaller, less powerful saw, but it did save me time, and hassle, which allowed me to make the most of the time I had to spend on woodworking – and that to me is invaluable and all the justification one would ever need for wanting a bigger more powerful saw. Its not always about what you "need" to achieve a thing, sometimes its about what you "want" to make the achievement of a thing more enjoyable.



  41. Thomas Stone on May 18, 2022 at 8:39 pm

    I cut thousands of 7/8”x7/8” box joints with a dado on a 1.5 HP Ridgid. Never had an issue related to the power of the saw.



  42. Jerry Oaks on May 18, 2022 at 8:39 pm

    I have the same saw and I love it! I recently upgraded it to 220v and it’s even better now!



  43. David Sherley on May 18, 2022 at 8:40 pm

    Thank you for making this video Jody; I’m on the fence about how powerful a saw to upgrade to (and I have the luxury of 230v available).

    I’m a new subscriber to your channel – after watching your more recent video on saw blades. I much appreciate your level of experience and understanding of the best bang for buck of quality tools.

    Like you, I’m assuming to purchase a SawStop. The price difference between the 1-3/4 & 3HP professional cabinet saws is $430. SawStop includes the blade guard with the dust port in that price. The blade guard is $139 on its own. So, if you have 230 – 240v, it’s a comparatively small price to pay to future proof yourself.



  44. Ray Gomez on May 18, 2022 at 8:40 pm

    Good video. you answered my question. I am purchasing a sawstop industrial table saw, and I wanted to know if I could upgrade the motor later on. It is difficult to find the answer to that question. Thank you.



  45. Erik Johnson on May 18, 2022 at 8:42 pm

    Somewhere north of 99% of YouTube viewers don’t leave comments, and those of us who do are generally pretty kind and fair. But an inordinate (IMO) amount of time and energy in content creator videos is consumed by responding to cranks and trolls. This baffles me. I love this channel, and it pains me to witness the grief caused by hooligans and rude people. They’re simply not worth the time it takes to respond to them, especially considering the miniscule percentage of viewers that they represent. Jodee, keep on keepin on, my man.



  46. Aaron Rosenthal on May 18, 2022 at 8:42 pm

    I just got the 3 hp SawStop, and I’m glad I’d did. I do have 220 in my shop, because my old Rigid was wired for 220, so there was no extra expense.
    For me, it wasn’t just the power – my old saw cut fine and I’m particular about my blades. It was because the over the blade dust collection was $185.00 Canadian plus it was better than I could make by myself, AND the 220v conversion brought me within $300.00 of the fully integrated bigger motor, when I compared the 1.75 to the 3 hp job.
    Strictly economics.



  47. 3kainos on May 18, 2022 at 8:42 pm

    Thank you for this! I’m waiting for my 1.75 hp Saw Stop contractor (CNS) model to arrive. Was starting to second guess, wondering if it was underpowered or if I’d kick myself for getting the CNS instead of PCS. But hearing you and seeing the insanely great furniture Tamar at 3×3 Custom makes with a Dewalt jobsite saw makes me very comfortable with what I bought.



  48. Steven Jaynes on May 18, 2022 at 8:43 pm

    When I replaced my 1-1/2 hp Jet Hybrid I opted for the 5hp SawStop. Best money I ever spent. NO burning in 10 yrs of use! Made a believer out of me! Ripping 8/4 white oak, its sound doesn’t even change pitch. Crosscuts, rips, dados, tenons,… no stalling, no burning! Just do it! FYI, I typically use a Forrest 50-tooth combination blade, a 40-tooth flat-top ground Ridge Carbide, and Freud’s Glue Line rip blade. The 50-tooth Forrest occupies the arbor 80% of the time.



  49. Marco A. Casco on May 18, 2022 at 8:43 pm

    Just get a 3HP tablesaw, hybrid or cabinet type, no induction motor (too noisy, drive you crazy, or, drives neighboors crazy), good saw blades (Diablo kind) and you’re all set, not that the finished work will come out better, but, it will all be a much better experience.



  50. stfutruck68 on May 18, 2022 at 8:43 pm

    I actually though this one was a bit much but I have been wanting better than the portable work saw for a while. The 1.75 is all that my current electrical will handle as well. It will have to do for now and I really like that this is here. Also the comment from a few of the posters here saying that there is really no need for it. I am a amateur anyway and this will probably be the last table saw I will ever buy. Thanks you for the video and thanks to all the posters for their comments.