Lie-Nielsen vs. Veritas Bench Planes | Tool Duel #5

Lie-Nielsen vs. Veritas Bench Planes | Tool Duel #5

“In this video, I compare No.4 Smoothing Planes and No.62 Low Angle Jack Planes from Lie-Nielsen and Veritas. The aim of this series is to inform you on all the similarities and differences between the various models and help you to make a better choice when buying your next tool. Which plane is best for you?

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50 Comments

  1. Robert on November 22, 2022 at 5:17 am

    Thanks for the help. Looking to buy my first jack plane. Discussing the nuances is important

  2. allthingsgilmour on November 22, 2022 at 5:19 am

    Sooooooo…..Basically the veritas planes have a lot of extra features if you’re prone to dropping or smashing your plane, can’t sharpen the blade square, and are generally a woodworking idiot….. not to mention the veritas just aren’t as aestetically pleasing as the lie Nielson…..

  3. Jonathan Beitler on November 22, 2022 at 5:21 am

    Have you done a block plane comparison? Have you tried the super expensive NX60?

  4. Keen Owl on November 22, 2022 at 5:21 am

    Excellent and unbiased. Thank you!

  5. 0student on November 22, 2022 at 5:21 am

    went with LN because of adjustment, didnt know there is an alternative to Veritas. thanks.

  6. Viktor Cieslar on November 22, 2022 at 5:26 am

    Ani jeden není z výroby připravený na práci. Ani jeden nemá srovnanou spodní stranu do roviny.
    Hodnotíš jednotlivá řešení a uniká ti nepřipravenost obou hoblíků a schopnost litiny jednoho či druhého výrobce zůstat dlouhá léta rigidní vůči kroucení.
    Zapomeň na značky. Omezují v úsudku ☺️

  7. ANHAD BANI NR on November 22, 2022 at 5:26 am

    Beautiful plane

  8. Clark Reid on November 22, 2022 at 5:28 am

    "… because I’m sad like that" lol; ohhhhhh, SOOOO relatable!!!

  9. Assaf Oppenheimer on November 22, 2022 at 5:28 am

    how do you upgrade the LN 62 adjuster? @08:17

  10. trev smith on November 22, 2022 at 5:28 am

    How do the Axminster Rider planes measure up against these?

  11. Clinton Lemon III on November 22, 2022 at 5:28 am

    THANK YOU for this vid. Bought the Veritas LA Jack. Love starting with a tool that is ALMOST ready from the box. Even with Veritas’ "fiddly" honing guide I’ve got a slightly out of square edge, and haven’t yet mastered the Chamfer, so use the Norris adj to compensate. May get the LN guide to work on chamfered b4 I hone the 38 degree blade.
    I must say the EXTACY of a full width whispy thin shaving is… well, extacy.

  12. Glasgow Guitarist on November 22, 2022 at 5:32 am

    Nice review Matt

    I gave up on Veritas a couple of years ago due to seriously poor quality. I bought several Veritas products and all of them had quality issues. The float glass lapping plate was guaranteed totally flat which it was – in the same way as a banana is totally straight 🤬

    I got a Veritas honing guide. It is physically impossible to set it up so that the blade ends up with a square edge as the guide is off the square. I have a few other Veritas items and they all suffered similar issues. I really wanted to like them as they seemed to have great advanced features but in most cases these turned out to be more gimmicks than benefits and ultimately it all comes down to quality.

    I ended up going Clifton for my last plane as I just couldn’t justify Lie-Nielsen prices and have been really happy with it but will probably bite the bullet and go Lie-Nielsen next time round. I have their No62 block plane and a spoke shave both of which are excellent.

  13. Dev Emch on November 22, 2022 at 5:32 am

    I just finally found a LN 5 1/2 jack. The only plane harder to find is the orig bedrock late model 605.5. The LN is a faithful reproduction of the original with a ductile body versus a grey iron body. The chip breaker performs a tad better but only a tad. The Veritas planes tend to drift from the gold standard by quite a bit. I have made Norris planes in the past and love them. But a Norris drives way differently than a Bailey. Having a rapid ability to change the frog has not been useful. In fact the bedrock ability to move the frog with ease never excites me. I was more into the solid bedding of the bedrock. What I have found is that the Clifton planes are also impressive. While not a true bedrock they are heavy accurate and a pleasure to use.

  14. The Wood Welding Fabricator ! on November 22, 2022 at 5:33 am

    At the end of the day, you need to try out both of these planes and figure out which is the best fit for your personal needs.

  15. James T Kirk on November 22, 2022 at 5:34 am

    I think a lot of the people on here saying LN no. 4 can’t look past the sentimentality of the Bedrock. Own both and the Veritas is the better tool if you’re more interested in what you build. If your more interested in being traditional then LN all the way. The Lee Valley is just easier to get versatility out of. The Lie Nielsen is a Bedrock at its core. It’s a great smoother. The Lee Valley no. 4 next to a 62 is the more versatile plane you can buy.

  16. englewood1957 on November 22, 2022 at 5:34 am

    A skilled worker will make any plane work.

  17. Gregg Miller on November 22, 2022 at 5:35 am

    One thing you neglected to cover with the L-N #4 Smoother — it has the ability to change frogs from the stanmdard 45 deg pitch to a different pitch for 50 deg, and 55 deg on both the #4 and #5 planes.

  18. BillnBen1 on November 22, 2022 at 5:38 am

    Hi Matt, Yet another brilliant video, I am re-learning so much.

    I was wondering if you would consider doing another Tool Duel. In the UK and specifically at Axminster Tools and Machinery there is a £200 difference in price between the LN #51 and Veritas Low Angle Shooting board planes. I currently use a LN No. 10 1/4 Bench Rebate Plane for that function but as you can imagine not very successfully, not enough mass, wrong angle, blah, blah ,blah.

    So come on Matt, some advice for somebody who should have learnt all of lessons years ago. Retirement has re-kindled the flame.

  19. Tristan J. Cumpole on November 22, 2022 at 5:38 am

    I’m genuinely unsure as to whether a curved chipbreaker is more liable to vibration since it can be held under greater tension than a flat chipbreaker. It may well be so, however I think that without testing to prove one way or another it’s a subjective opinion. I’ve got mostly curved chipbreakers on my planes and vibration hasn’t presented itself as an issue when set up correctly.

  20. Shane Landon on November 22, 2022 at 5:39 am

    Thank you so much for sharing your. As a recovering alcoholic. One of the reasons that I’m so successful this time as I’ve re-invigorated my love for woodworking. I appreciate all the knowledge you share and I think you do an extremely good job on your videos. Step-by-step day by day I work hard to save up for the tooling so that I can start my craft again. I haven’t worked Wood for over 25 years. So I feel like I’m starting all over again once again I appreciate your time and I think you do a great job on your videos thank you.

  21. Craigular joe woodworking on November 22, 2022 at 5:39 am

    Very welcoming intro haha

  22. Emanuele La Macchia on November 22, 2022 at 5:39 am

    What about veritas Customer bench Plane? Do you prefer eben better the lie Nielsen ?

  23. David Jennings on November 22, 2022 at 5:42 am

    Hi Matt – I think the adjustable stop for the mouth is really only there to solve the fact that the front knob lacks a cam adjuster. With the Lie Nielsen you can control the adjustment so much better and are very unlikely to slam the toe into the blade. On the Veritas as soon as you loosen the from knob the toe is free to move around so the adjustable stop is only there to solve a problem which does not exist on the Lie Nielsen.

  24. Paul Boegel on November 22, 2022 at 5:42 am

    Up here in the True White North(Canada) Veritas planes are HALF the price of a Lie Nielsen. I live in Vancouver so I can drive to the Lee Valley store and handle it before I buy.

  25. TheThirdMan on November 22, 2022 at 5:44 am

    Gee, just think; you could get all those cool features so much cheaper if you get a 50 year-old Stanley or Record and clean it up… Premium tools… bozhe moi!

  26. Bruce Welty on November 22, 2022 at 5:44 am

    Which would I buy? Neither one of the damned things. To spend 20% of my monthly income is ludicrous. Besides, I am 72 ANYTHING will out last me.

  27. midi510 on November 22, 2022 at 5:47 am

    I like having all my planes from the same manufacturer, too, which is Lie-Nielsen. Every time I pick one up, I get satisfaction from the feel of the handle in my hand.

  28. Tim Barry on November 22, 2022 at 5:48 am

    I absolutely hate the look of the clumsy handles on the veritas (and new Stanley) planes. Traditional planes were beautiful to look at. I can’t fathom how modern tool makers overlook the aesthetics and make such ugly tools.

  29. pham van Hao on November 22, 2022 at 5:50 am

    có cái bào này ở trong rừng o có điện sài là OK chứ mua về làm hàng siêu tầm chả ai nó là cái gì

  30. Atypical Paul on November 22, 2022 at 5:52 am

    Great video. Unfortunately the planes I want from lie neilsen are all out of stock or back ordered 😕

  31. Jim Rowe on November 22, 2022 at 5:52 am

    Any thoughts on a LAJ vs. a 5 1/2? Rob Cosman seems to be a big fan of the 5 1/2, but the LAJ’s look to do the same. I’m looking for something to shoot with and fit between a Stanley 4 and 7.

  32. Bret Sehorn on November 22, 2022 at 5:52 am

    Lie-Nielsen handles use "hornbeam", a wood native to Maine, U.S.

  33. big Kiv on November 22, 2022 at 5:52 am

    WHilst I have never used the Lie Nielsen, as at present in Ausie you just can’t get them, I did just buy a 5 1/4 Veritas bench plane. WHat a quality plane it is…. such a precise piece of kit…. the norris adjuster, whilst not traditional, does the job very very well. I had a woodriver #6 and # 41/2 and they did take great shavings they were useless on the shooting board as they had crap square tolerance. The Veritas is precisely square and flat and the blade was a dream to polish and hone… no complaints from me it takes 1/2 thou shavings and the timber is left silky smooth. I don;t think the lie Nielsen could do any better but they are also a quality product 🙂

  34. Edward Chester on November 22, 2022 at 5:54 am

    Fantastic video. Really informative stuff.

  35. Mark Koons on November 22, 2022 at 5:56 am

    The only modifications I’ve found to improve the Lie-Nielsens are to strip off the lacquer from both the metal and wood then oil the cherry with tung oil. The more mellow tones are beautiful initially and after a few years the tools become yours in a way that the factory finishes will never allow. In my view is that the factory lacquers are strictly to preserve the newness of the merchandise until it finds a permanent home.

  36. David Bald on November 22, 2022 at 5:59 am

    Great video as per usual. Does the grub screw hole on veritas not also accommodate a fence? Or am i mixing up there planes?

  37. 738polarbear on November 22, 2022 at 5:59 am

    I do not think you give enough kudos to Veritas when their differences are obviously better than Lie Nielsen , In effect your lie Nielsen bias is showing .You BEGRUDGINGLY admit a veritas feature is better.

  38. Dave Ikin on November 22, 2022 at 6:00 am

    You need to be wealthy to follow this guy, all the tools are high end you can’t achieve the quality of the work with layman’s tools.

  39. tchevrier on November 22, 2022 at 6:01 am

    you should take a look at WoodRiver hand planes and give your evaluation.

  40. andrzej3511 on November 22, 2022 at 6:03 am

    It seems that both companies produce the best planes in the world, the differences are really small. From this video for me it is clear that it is not minor differences that determine which of these planes are better, it seems that personal preferences (and of course prices) are key factors.

  41. hassleoffa on November 22, 2022 at 6:07 am

    I’ve got one Veritas … it’s magnificent. I can’t wait to get another.

  42. Mark Moreno on November 22, 2022 at 6:08 am

    If you must buy just one style or the other, low angle vs regular, which should i get first?

  43. Giuseppe Responte on November 22, 2022 at 6:09 am

    If you have to ask which one to buy you shouldn’t be getting one of these planes.

  44. Matt Estlea on November 22, 2022 at 6:09 am

    Like the workbench? Watch me make it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXKYwM0f5WU&t

  45. Robert Perreault on November 22, 2022 at 6:10 am

    great review, thanks

  46. WorldCitizen0011 on November 22, 2022 at 6:11 am

    I’d never let this guy touch any of my planes

  47. Benjamin Knight on November 22, 2022 at 6:12 am

    Very informative and a deep dive but I would argue that all your gripes with the Veritas #4, save the Norris style adjustor would be solved if you had compared the Veritas #4 Custom vs the LN. This would have put your #4’s at an identical price point. Regardless, great video but I would be curious if the adjustments on the ergonomics would change your #4 choice.

  48. Richard Roby on November 22, 2022 at 6:13 am

    Have you ever gotten the chance to try Bridge Citys HP-12? Was sold on the Veritas Low-Angle Jack but the HP-12 was down to $469 so I jumped on it. But after ordering came across conflicting reviews. Never notice those important reviews/comments before making hasty decisions. Thank you for your all your videos. Have helped me out from finishing with Osmo to picking the Veritas Low-Angle. And of course love rocking my Osb stickers.

  49. paul Smith on November 22, 2022 at 6:14 am

    posh tools.

  50. Michael Christopher on November 22, 2022 at 6:15 am

    Your bias toward Lie Nielsen is showing in this video. I don’t say that in a bad way, just comes across that way to me. We all have our preferences and that is fine. Where you conceded that the Veritas is superior, you qualify it with “but that has never been an issue for me”. On the low Angle Jack I think you left out a couple of key differences. Veritas is 15” long while the Lie N. Is 14” long. On the Veritas, There is extra length at the front of the plane which gives you a longer reference surface to begin your pass- for me that is the biggest difference (having never held the Lie Nielsen myself). I own the Veritas and it is my favorite plane. I am considering a No. 5 1/2 plane for my next purchase based on Rob Cosman’s declaration that the 5 1/2 is his favorite plane. I’m considering the Lie Nielsen and the Wood River since Veritas doesnt make a traditional 5 1/2. (See…my pref is for Veritas haha). I appreciate your videos. I would like to see a comparison of the 5 1/2 or at least a video review of the Lie N. 5 1/2 if you have that plane? Thanks!

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