Low Angle Vs Standard Plane – The Last Word

Low Angle Vs Standard Plane – The Last Word

In this Low Angle vs Standard Plane video Rob Cosman compares and contrasts a low angle #62 jack plane to a standard angle #5-1/2 jack plane. If you are considering buying either of these styles of bench planes then this is a MUST SEE video before you make your purchase. If you already own a low angle or a standard angle plane then you will still enjoy this video, and may learn some things you didn’t know!
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50 Comments

  1. James Shackcloth on October 29, 2022 at 3:56 am

    Yo Rob
    I have The 5-1/2 wood river from you >>> wasn’t that sharp out of the box actually !
    Your excellent marking gauge < no complaint .
    Also purchased the work bench plans .. just haven’t got around to building the thing yet as don’t have much time !
    I have a lenielsen low angle block and a few old Stanley ones.

    Will be getting the adjstar and some wax for sure and thinking about some other things but my last order cost me £110 to get it into the uk on top of what i paid your good selves !!
    My order was around £500
    Any advice on how to dodge that ?

    I Have all the Sharpening gear
    What would you suggest to add to my order >>>> ?

    I would rather wait than pay extortionate costs just to receive a parcel .

    Thanks

    James



  2. Chinthaka Wickramasinghe on October 29, 2022 at 3:57 am

    I do not have Stanley or other types of modern planes but a wooden plane of my father and replicating it i made myself another of 45° angle and still another 20° angle plane as a low angle bevel down plane. Surprisingly both 45° & 20° angle planes do exactly the same in end grain, of course with a sharp iron, Thanks to your free hand sharpening technique.



  3. Joschmoyo on October 29, 2022 at 3:58 am

    4 degree’s is not a small difference when you are scrubbing end grain, especially when your not having to fight a chipbreaker that increases back pressure.
    But the original low angle Stanley was very much a specialist tool for end grain work.
    But the most important trick to finishing end grain is wetting it.
    Massively reduces the effort required and prolongs edge life.
    The only time I double bevel is when cleaning out mortise’s in knotty timber and site work.



  4. Will M on October 29, 2022 at 3:58 am

    The 62 looks cooler than the 5 1/2, no points for style?
    Thanks for the info, it was an interesting watch



  5. Mark Koons on October 29, 2022 at 3:58 am

    Got a Lie-Nielsen #62 in the box. It has been in the back room, unused for ten or fifteen years now because, after I was all moneyed up and bought it on an impulse, I realized every point you made was true. Additionally, as I’m sure you know but some of your viewers may not, the blade-and-chip-breaker sets on the #4-1/2 and #7 interchange (does the 5-1/2 also?) which means that 4 high quality after-market sets cover the need for a set in each of the planes, an ordinary 45 degree spare set kept razor sharp and a fourth steeply ground set, york or middle pitch, for difficult grain with either plane.



  6. big Kiv on October 29, 2022 at 4:00 am

    I have the Henry Eckert No 62 made here in Aussie. It weighs the same as a No 5 plane so is heavier that all other No 62s. With the Hot dog attached it works so well as a shooting board plane and the PMV10 blade is about the best for sharpening and staying sharp. It is the go to plane for all things and with a second blade at 50 degrees it deals with all Aussie hardwoods and reversing grain. My No 6 Stanley now sits on the shelf and never gets a look in anymore. Unsure why you struggled on the shooting board or when planing but maybe the extra weight on my Henry Eckert is the answer. The added bonus is the Henry Eckert is so finly manufactured that blade alignment is so simple as long as you sharpen a square edge the extremely close tolerance of the blade and plane makes lateral adjustments totally obselete 🙂



  7. Lilo Ukulele on October 29, 2022 at 4:03 am

    Best plane for a shooting board?



  8. mystang 89 on October 29, 2022 at 4:03 am

    Would a low angle plane be a great finisher?



  9. Stroys on October 29, 2022 at 4:06 am

    Rob, pretty much everything you know about hand planes is what I don’t know.
    I was debating which way to go as a second plane for my tool box – I have a block plane that has been ok for my rudimentary wood projects. I will definitely go with the 5 1/2 now.
    Thanks



  10. ronin4711 on October 29, 2022 at 4:06 am

    Rob
    Fact is, the Wr. 62 is an inferior hand plane!
    With all the respect to your 5.5 Wr. , it cannot hold the candle for a Veritas LA jack plane and that’s a fact too my friend!
    Try it and you’ll find out, unless as usual, you are really biased like we all know, maybe this should be given to a Veritas man to compare, not you!
    Wr. should “thank you” for this bad review of their “pos” plane that now nobody will buy!
    I wonder how long my comment will stay, before you will remove it?



  11. Troy Clayton on October 29, 2022 at 4:06 am

    Wow, really lame the Woodriver 62 has no lateral adjustment, the Stanley Sweetheart 62 does. I bought the Sweetheart because it was half the price of the Woodriver 5 1/2 and suited my needs. I’m quite happy a year later, I still wouldn’t pay more.



  12. Bill Giles on October 29, 2022 at 4:07 am

    When I started woodworking I had a bad habit of grasping the tote with my fist three fingers with my little pinky hanging of the plane. After catching my finger a few times and bleeding on my work I now use the pistol grip with my forefinger pointing. The Stanley 62 has lateral adjustment with the iron adjuster.



  13. ornabels on October 29, 2022 at 4:07 am

    Great video. I’m convinced.



  14. Paul Round on October 29, 2022 at 4:07 am

    Personally I only ever go to a low angle when there is a particularly difficult grain, other than that I find the low angle just takes way longer to set and fiddle about with.



  15. alan g k on October 29, 2022 at 4:08 am

    The new Stanley 62 has a 5 mm blade and lateral adjustment lever.



  16. non participant on October 29, 2022 at 4:08 am

    I have the LA plane Rob’s using. I can tell you that he is not setting it up right. The thumb screw is critical in adjusting the blade. What he’s doing is setting the blade, then applying the screw pressure. That’s wrong, and will result in the clumsy, deep cuts he’s getting. The LA plane works fine if you take the time to learn how to use it. He’s trying to review something he has little experience with. The LA plane has the option of easily changing to different beveled cutters, making it like multiple planes in one. The toe adjustment is wonderful to use. Don’t go by this review alone, everyone loves Rob, but he missed the mark on this one.



  17. the mountain raven on October 29, 2022 at 4:10 am

    Just a personal perspective, id never buy an iron full size plane that has no lateral adjustment…i just dont understand



  18. Reussirful on October 29, 2022 at 4:11 am

    Is it okay to use the ruler trick when prepping the back of the #62?



  19. Krismania on October 29, 2022 at 4:12 am

    I think one of the main problems is that the LA planes have been promoted as the ideal ‘jack of all trades’ planes, whereas that title really belongs to Leonard Bailey’s bench planes which are, of course, bevel-down. Stanley never intended the 62 to be an all-singing, all-dancing plane, and their catalogue states that it was "especially adapted for use in cutting across the grain on heavy work". I can’t comment on the 62’s performance in that respect, because I’ve never used one (although that Wood River one certainly didn’t impress!), but I do have a Veritas Low-Angle Jack which is superb at cross-grain work – that’s why I bpught it. Although it acquits itself well on general work it’s unfair to compare it with the superbly versatile Baileys, and Rob’s comment on dept adjustment "on the go" is well-founded. If you’re a beginner – get a Bailey! Later on you can buy an LA plane and use it for the purpose for which it was intended. It’s nice to have, but not essential. Bailey designed his bench planes to be versatile, and Stanley designed the 62 as a large and powerful block plane. How about a Bailey plane with an adjustable mouth? Now that would really finish the debate!



  20. BGT on October 29, 2022 at 4:13 am

    Put a 50 degree edge in the bevel up plane and you will equal or better the to 5 1/2.



  21. TheDarkMirror on October 29, 2022 at 4:15 am

    20:34 that is bloody clever mate. Love it.



  22. Salsa on October 29, 2022 at 4:16 am

    What wax is he using? What wax would you recommend?



  23. almosthuman on October 29, 2022 at 4:17 am

    This was not only a good A versus B, it was a great all around plane guide. I learned a lot. Thanks.



  24. Paul Rodgers on October 29, 2022 at 4:19 am

    How would a No 5 compare? I would like to treat myself to a Lie-Neilsen No 5 is only one available in UK at the moment and the 51/2 is very expensive.



  25. Александр Чумак on October 29, 2022 at 4:21 am

    👍👍👍



  26. Hot Curds on yur Mudder on October 29, 2022 at 4:21 am

    Took me about 32 seconds to get the “pitch” joke 😂. I was wondering why you felt the need to write your name down on a block of wood in your own shop.



  27. Tore B.P. on October 29, 2022 at 4:22 am

    I think it’s all down to the care needed, and the versatility of the blades. The angle of attack is the same on both. Low angle/bevel up doesn’t mean it cuts at a more advantageous angle. The big downside to a bevel up-plane, is that you have to be very consistent with your sharpening. Enter all kinds of thingamajiggies and doohickeys to get it juuust at the right angle every time. Sharpening will take more time, and you wont really learn it properly this way. And if you mess up, it’s quite a bit of steel you have to remove to get the blade back to the right angle. A bevel up-plane wont stay sharper longer either. Even though the blade itself is thicker, and edge is still an edge! It isn’t any more "solid" because of the extra mass in the blade behind it.

    Sharpening is a "thing" now. I think there’s a lot of sucker woodworkers being fooled into buying all kinds of fancy and weird sharpening products, when it makes close to no difference for their woodworking, and they would get along just fine with a combination stone and a strop!

    With a regular plane, you got a blade that is much thinner and less demanding to sharpen. It is much more forgiving, and it’s not unthinkable for a beginner to get it quite sharp by freehanding it on a Norton India stone and an improvised strop (I use the backside of my leather belt)! And if you want to experiment with cambers, then the thinner blade will let you do that.

    If a .62 is better for a beginner, that’s only until that blade needs a new primary bevel. Then they’ll have to sink a silly amount of money into sharpening supplies. Money that could be spent on other woodworking tools…



  28. Rocketninja200 on October 29, 2022 at 4:22 am

    I see 62’s recommended for beginners all over the internet mostly because "they’re more simple" I would say that anyone interested in wood working is naturally going to be a lot more mechanically inclined than that low expectation.



  29. Paul Briggs on October 29, 2022 at 4:23 am

    It’s nice to have a bit of woodworking to do so that we can justify all this plane adjustment time.



  30. Paramjeet Singh on October 29, 2022 at 4:24 am

    I need stanley 14" planner old model u used 2nd one with extra 6 blades where from I can purchase



  31. greg on October 29, 2022 at 4:25 am

    I hear ya, and I agree that the 5 1/2 is heavier. And you like that plane.
    My problem is.
    I’ve got 5 planes and I don’t know what I’m doing. And with all the "fiddly" parts that have to come together on a standard plane with, chip breaker and other parts.
    I think I’m gonna get the 62 anyway, because, the 62 and other low angle planes, there are less parts I have to adjust.
    I don’t know if my choice or my reasoning is good. But hand planes have been a source of great aggravation. Believe it or not, but I’ve had better luck with wooden planes.



  32. UreaSmith on October 29, 2022 at 4:25 am

    I agree 100 percent. Not a fan of the 62. They were over hyped for a while. The only bevel up I like are my block planes.



  33. Isn't that Rich on October 29, 2022 at 4:26 am

    This is disappointing, I have the Lie-Nielsen 4 1/2 and the Veritas 60 1/2. I’m going to guess Rob wouldn’t say they are critical mistakes but there are better choices as he described.



  34. Brian Hall on October 29, 2022 at 4:28 am

    Rob, I agree with everything you said in the video. I have the L-N version of the 62 and use it in the following instances: When I travel to classes, because it’s significantly lighter in my luggage (I try to lighten my toolkit with just about all my other tools too in this situation,) and I really like to use it with a toothed blade as a scrub plane when dimensioning stock by hand…again, because it’s lighter and more nimble than a standard bench plane. That being said, other than that, it doesn’t see a lot of use in my home shop…I rarely hand dimension my stock anymore, and let my stationary jointer and planer do the grunt work nowadays.



  35. Richard Beck on October 29, 2022 at 4:30 am

    There’s no heel extension on that 62 to help keep it flat



  36. Nick Ramey on October 29, 2022 at 4:31 am

    I have a wood river 62 and I really struggle getting the depth thin enough. It either takes a heavy shaving or will not cut. Any suggestions?



  37. Bill Giles on October 29, 2022 at 4:32 am

    I sharpened my low angle Stanley 62 and my Stanley 5 1/2 for a big end grain job. The bevel down was definitely the happier cutting end grain. Both were sharpened to 25 deg.



  38. Dan Aron West on October 29, 2022 at 4:33 am

    You know Rob I’ve seen these expensive models even with the iron set on an angle instead of straight across the sole of the plane and some even with brass to make it look so good, they look so good and are so expensive and they get a man wondering but the biggest point that I Absolutely agree with you is T"TheWEIGHT BEHIND THE PUNCH." I have a Stanly #5 lei Nielson #7 & #8, among others but I use my #7 on my custom-made shooting board for the #7, WHY? all that weight behind each push makes the job so much better and easier. Now if I had to use a shooting board all day on the job would the lighter plane be better, I think not because it takes so much more effort to push it through the wood. BRAVO my man on this one. I couldn’t agree more with you on this one too.



  39. David Storer on October 29, 2022 at 4:35 am

    I’m a woodworker on a tight budget. Plus … I live in Africa, far far away from North America and Europe where there is good availability of high quality new and second-hand woodworking hand tools. I make my purchasing decisions very carefully.

    Blessings … I have good availability of low cost local Rhodesian Rosewood … if it is well finished it is hugely strong and perfectly beautiful. Curses … I have to start with horribly roughly prepared construction grade material, it is extremely dense, it is subject to complex and difficult figuration, and it’s is very hard to work. I have pretty much zero access to power tools (drills aside). I work by hand.

    A Wood River 5 1/2 would be totally out of my league. I mean … ridiculously so! I run a melange of vintage wooden planes bought off E-bay including an amazing 1945 English 17" wooden jack plane and a phenomenal (and weird) 2021 ‘cheap as chips’ Chinese wooden smoothing plane that just eats wood and, somehow, refuses to tear out (no matter you are against the grain and taking big slices).

    But the star of my small collection is, without doubt, my (post 2009) Stanley no. 62 low angle jack plane. This is an amazing tool at its price. So far … I have not found a piece of stock that can defeat it. The cut is always smooth. There is never any tear out. OK, I have honed the blade to within a micrometre of its life, and I have filed and adjusted to the limit every edge and surface (but, actually … not much required). It’s just a great and genuinely very versatile plane.

    I don’t have experience working the the WR, Veritas, and LN alternatives. Nor will I ever have. I am sure they are amazing. But … perhaps in desperate search of confirmation to match my own bias … I’d urge anyone reading this to look very seriously at the Stanley option. It’s a superbly capable tool.



  40. Buddy Austin on October 29, 2022 at 4:36 am

    You asked for feedback, so here’s mine…

    Bummer, I bought the wrong plane!

    Thanks for another very informative video!



  41. John S S on October 29, 2022 at 4:37 am

    Great video. Thank Rob. This is very helpful.



  42. A Rom on October 29, 2022 at 4:44 am

    Thank you for all the information, I’ve been a Sheetmetal Worker for over 20yrs. I’m looking to get into Woodworking as a hobby. I have a strong metal fabrication background and I’m gonna build a table and looking into a hand planing to assist me in jointing. I was looking at the Sweetheart 62 sold at the Orange Box, I’m convinced of your heavy plane view I just don’t know if my lack of experience will become a hindrance with Jack plane. You seem to adjust things very fluidly but I’m afraid I’m gonna screw it up and nobody I know can actually bring all the adjustments back to working order….

    Btw your an inspiration to me, I want to build like you and adopt your methodology into my toolbox. I have so much to learn, I’m tempted to download your MDF WORKBENCh,. But joining lumber seems like I’ll get a lot of garage time with a plane and learn how to sharpen… still in contemplation phase, your input would be greatly appreciated!



  43. Catherine Chute on October 29, 2022 at 4:46 am

    Best video i have seen so far on adjusting hand planes!



  44. Randy G on October 29, 2022 at 4:46 am

    Thanks for the comparison. I watched your earlier video where you unboxed the then new Wood River LA Jack plane. You did not seem to have any problems adjusting the LA plane back then. While it was not a full blown review, the older video left a very different impression.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8RbSwnKvsI.
    I have the Veritas LA Jack and like it a lot. I do not own a good number 5 1/2, however I have a vintage Bailey #6. I like it too, for certain things. I like the ruler back bevel trick. Thanks for posting.



  45. Jim Gott on October 29, 2022 at 4:47 am

    The cut of the 5 1/2 is also noticeably quieter than the 62, due to decreased vibration of the blade.



  46. Ron Hau on October 29, 2022 at 4:47 am

    What is the benefits of using a shooting board Over my miter saw or a tablesaw? Cleaner cut easier to sneak up on correct length? I just got my first hand plane. I have a lot to learn



  47. Marcio Langeani on October 29, 2022 at 4:47 am

    👏👏👏👏👏👏



  48. Paul Choudhury on October 29, 2022 at 4:50 am

    Thank you for explaining the setup on the high angle plane so thoroughly. I now understand the relationship and target adjustment between all of the parts.



  49. Miles McGrew on October 29, 2022 at 4:51 am

    I bought my first plane and it was a Stanley 62 (which, interestingly, has a lateral adjustment mechanism… no hammer needed) and in hindsight I wish I had gone traditional. The 62 is fine, but I find myself often turning to sandpaper instead of the 62, for various reasons, The lack of weight is a big deal.



  50. Michael Payne on October 29, 2022 at 4:52 am

    Another option for the bedrock plane is buy a steeper frog, great video btw.