Woodworking Squares: 851 VS T-200 / Woodpeckers Tools Compared To Banggood Tools

Woodworking Squares: 851 VS T-200 / Woodpeckers Tools Compared To Banggood Tools

Today we’re looking at the Woodpecker’s 851 Precision Woodworking Square and the T-200 from Drillpro, a tool found at Banggood.com. This comparison comes at the suggestion from viewers that the tools from Banggood are just as good, if not better, than the “overpriced” Woodpecker’s tools. This is simply meant as a means to actually see the difference between the two, not to say which one is better, as that has a different meaning to everyone.

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  1. Daniel Nordstrand on May 4, 2022 at 6:55 pm

    Thanks for the comparison! I was considering buying the Banggood version because I can’t afford woodpeckers for my hobby, but they don’t give a square guarantee toa standard!
    Would love to see the video length cut down in length, there was a lot repeated…

  2. John Isley on May 4, 2022 at 6:55 pm

    You are full of it

  3. Peter Martucci on May 4, 2022 at 6:55 pm

    I just save my cash for woodpeckers tools. First they are second to none in quality in my opinion. Second, I’m tired of Chinese, Vietnamese or Taiwanese made products that are just good enough to get by. I don’t ever want to make a product that leaves my shop that is just good enough, I want it to be of the highest possible quality. So, I no longer buy tools that aren’t designed the same way. Thanks for the review though.

  4. Jimmy B on May 4, 2022 at 6:56 pm

    Nice video and thanks for taking the time, I am looking for this exact review. FYI I sell on Amazon and you seriously can’t get away with false reviews for the past 2.5 years. Trust me, Amazon shut that $hit down tighter then a ducks ar$e, reviews in the last 2 years are all legit

  5. Todd Harshbarger on May 4, 2022 at 6:57 pm

    Very honest sincere review!

  6. Secoba Airways on May 4, 2022 at 6:57 pm

    As I understand, this video is primarily looking to see if the Woodpeckers square is worth the extra money over the Drillpro – but you didn’t quote the prices at the time of making this. I know we can look up prices in real-time but to me, this is about price v quality, you’ve covered the quality aspect very well but ignored the price completely.

  7. R on May 4, 2022 at 7:00 pm

    The Empire one is for quick framing, not precision. The Wood Peckers one is for Hobby/Work wood working like cabinetry building where it has to be perfect.

  8. TheEggman on May 4, 2022 at 7:01 pm

    I bought one of these from AliExpress. Mine also had a defect on the back of it in roughly the same place. Except mine had a large lump from the casting. Which probably explains why yours had a grind mark. I raised a complaint. They decided that it only effected 50% of it’s usage. So they refunded my 50% of the purchase price. So I cannot use it to measure inside angles.
    Mine also is not square. My advice would be to not buy the T200 square.

  9. Brewtality on May 4, 2022 at 7:01 pm

    video is too long, lots of wasted time talking about nonsense, and doesn’t even know the tolerance the tools are machined at …

  10. backyardbasher on May 4, 2022 at 7:01 pm

    None of the test lines on the bangood square are parallel to each other, its easier to see the error on the lines close together but its not as obvious with the lines which are further part. which is why all the close together lines you said were out but the further apart ones you said were parallel.

  11. FyrFytr998 on May 4, 2022 at 7:02 pm

    Good video. I have been in my shop comparing my acquired squares that I have gotten since I began woodworking last year. While some were legitimately out of square junk. There were some instances where it seemed how I held the pencil, and the lead point affected the outcome. Some tests showed square and not square with the same tool. Either way, I have a Woodpeckers 18” Square coming in, so it will all be moot soon. I might however not so easily dismiss Bangood in the future now as I consider jumping to Metric on builds.

  12. dirk denkt on May 4, 2022 at 7:02 pm

    The holes on the TS-200 are tapered on both sides making it hard to use them for exact marking as you have to hold you pencil perpendicular.

  13. Jeff Thomas on May 4, 2022 at 7:02 pm

    Another fantastic video, i found Milescraft squares. I just can’t afford the more expensive ones 😩

  14. Michael Fujita on May 4, 2022 at 7:02 pm

    Thanks for these great comparison videos! I’m a mechanic by trade and hobbyist/DIYer with woodworking. So my mechanic brain thinks Snap-On tools. You get what you pay for. Woodpeckers are expensive tools too and I find myself purchasing their tools when it’s something that I’ll be using a lot. For the things that are once in a while, I’m more prone to go with a less expensive brand. Keep up the great videos!

  15. Bob Hinden on May 4, 2022 at 7:04 pm

    Nice video. Hard to tell exactly from watching the video, but my take on the square tests you did, none of the T-200 tests were square, while the 851 was. If the T-200 isn’t square, there is no point in saving money.

    I agree about the parallax issues, that is why I prefer the Woodpecker Stainless squares, like the 641. The blade is much thinner (plus it also has cutouts for marking dimensions).

  16. martino amello on May 4, 2022 at 7:06 pm

    It seems that when checking for square you’re using both hands switching back and forth..

  17. Ric Donato on May 4, 2022 at 7:08 pm

    Excellent explanation. Very much appreciate all your efforts, thank you.

  18. Mike Bowline on May 4, 2022 at 7:09 pm

    I dream about being able to afford a Woodpecker square.

  19. Justin Foy on May 4, 2022 at 7:09 pm

    Sooo…. Am i to late to enter for the give away? :p

  20. NickR on May 4, 2022 at 7:09 pm

    Minimal packaging please. Every individual box is part of a tree.

    Doesn’t the thickness of the Woodpecker kind of negate precision for marking, due to parallax?

    And of course you the banggood has no parallax if you use the marking holes. (Edit: scratch that, you covered it…)
    Seems superior, to me.

  21. futurebr87 on May 4, 2022 at 7:10 pm

    Should’ve mentioned the fact you can use the banggood square to scribe parallel lines using the holes on the square, meanwhile you can’t do the same with woodpeckers.

  22. Charles Sas on May 4, 2022 at 7:10 pm

    Love your videos, but this one you are comparing apples with bananas. There are Drillpro squares that are a direct comparison to the woodpeckers one. I have two of them. A 150mm and 200mm sizes and the are almost identical to the Woodpeckers. I love my 2 DrillPros. Can I suggest that you should really compare tools that are comparable to each other for a more fair and comparable review. The two squares in your comparison are not comparable to each other.

  23. Alejandro Gaitan on May 4, 2022 at 7:12 pm

    Self levelling ruby

  24. CriticalDynamics STG on May 4, 2022 at 7:14 pm

    I finally found Jody, I’m telling all my military brothers! LOL

  25. John Clement on May 4, 2022 at 7:15 pm

    thanks! The woodpecker one seems to be better.

  26. Contessa Adella on May 4, 2022 at 7:16 pm

    4 Apr 22… There are FIVE squares named “851” on Amazon UK right now. All picture in identical red aluminium and retail around 30 bucks. None have ‘Woodpeckers’ stamped on them. So…PRC knockoffs most likely. You can’t trust anything anymore. Will they be square? Well, I am betting mostly not…just keep sending them back and re-ordering until you get one which is by luck/fluke, square!

  27. smorgasbord42 on May 4, 2022 at 7:17 pm

    The first line you drew is not how a try square is to be used. A try square is setup to be square only on the two inside edges. You put the inside of the handle against the stock and then drew using the outside of the blade, not the inside. With an engineer’s square the inside edges are square to each other and the outside edges are square to each other, but there’s no guarantee that an inside edge will be square to an outside edge. That said, you’re drawing lines with a pencil, so ultimate accuracy isn’t important. I don’t believe even Woodpeckers guarantees squareness of inside to outside edges.

    Drawing lines is not the most accurate way to measure squareness, since the angle of the pencil can easily affect your results when you’re looking at a few thousandths of an inch. I personally think that markings along the blade are generally to be avoided for the reasons you indicate in drawing lines.

    The construction of Woodpeckers is such that the one-piece blade is CNC machined to very good tolerances for woodworking, and then the cheeks are added. You can see videos on their channel, for instance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xIS1437d0U which shows that the blade is checked for square and then the handles are attached. I believe it’s possible that the handles are not as square as the blade as their tolerance specs might indicate. Since the handles are referenced mostly for marking, that’s probably OK, as angle variation and thickness of a pencil line are certainly less accurate anyway.

    Banggood does sell a couple DIN875 rated squares. These are silver engineer’s squares in sizes smaller than the ones covered in this video. It would be interesting to compare to see just how square these affordable DIN-spec squares are.

  28. KASHMAN Tom Caso on May 4, 2022 at 7:20 pm

    Good analysis. Very thoughtful on all elements beyond a Tri-Square being absolutely square.

  29. Dennis Miller on May 4, 2022 at 7:21 pm

    I have a 30 year old Stanley tri-square I have had those problems with the Stanley I guess it’s time to upgrade

  30. Vertice Treinamentos on May 4, 2022 at 7:21 pm

    Nice video!! One question: in 17:21, arent you using T-200 flipped? I think mark from this roles are for other side.

  31. ken coleman on May 4, 2022 at 7:21 pm

    Thanks for another excellent and useful comparison. I love Woodpeckers’ tools and have many but there is no denying that they are expensive. Also, I have never had a Woodpeckers tool fail to deliver as designed. I also have several Bangood tools and find them generally quite acceptable but without the exquisite WP finish.

  32. krishields2 on May 4, 2022 at 7:22 pm

    The incra T-Rules are the way to go for marking with pencil. In my opinion, these things are only useful as squares and that’s all…. and apparently the china tools don’t seem to be all that square.

  33. Inspire Woodcraft on May 4, 2022 at 7:23 pm

    This giveaway is now closed. Thank you to all who watched and commented!

  34. Chef Spenser on May 4, 2022 at 7:24 pm

    Sinple, articulate well explained and no stupid music/sound effects. thanks

  35. Decoventanas on May 4, 2022 at 7:26 pm

    *¡Excelente su programa!*
    *Es cierto!, hay herramientas que por más que sean una calidad impresionante, están sobre valuado su precio.*
    *Saludos desde Panamá.*

  36. Wayne Buss on May 4, 2022 at 7:27 pm

    Maybe you should watch Hooked on Wood

  37. Mickey Pigduck on May 4, 2022 at 7:28 pm

    These are the kind of comparative reviews I like. As the saying goes, "the devil is in the details". Two things must be adhered to when doing comparisons. You need to compare apples to apples and compare ALL the tiniest details. Any time I have settled for good enough it has always come back later and bit me. I will always continue to purchase Woodpeckers stuff as it is bang on the dot accurate. That way if my projects turn out kind of janky, it means I need to improve my skills and not blame my tools. Tool cost is a one time expense. Scrap wood costs is where real dollars are lost.

  38. CalvinJ82 on May 4, 2022 at 7:33 pm

    I’ve used crap and quality tools. Middle of the road seems best to avoid overpaying while getting a tool that functions properly. Personal preference certainly plays on any tool use, but i try to replace any tool that creates mistakes that are clearly not operator error. Simple like you said, if it gets the job done, it’s great. If it is inconsistent, it’s gotta be replaced/upgraded.

  39. Back the Badge on May 4, 2022 at 7:36 pm

    Banggood tools are Chinese tools, they steal American made Woodpeckers design concepts. China uses slave labor to produce…I buy American….even if it costs more…

  40. Blake Werner on May 4, 2022 at 7:39 pm

    thank you sir, this was very helpful to me

  41. R on May 4, 2022 at 7:40 pm

    I hate the RED on Both..!!!

  42. Craig Giles on May 4, 2022 at 7:41 pm

    @inspire woodcraft. Just want to add something about the drillpro, I think you could also use this like a protractor if you have a nail on the inside of the square and use one of the holes depending on what size circle you require. Worth a try.

  43. DGLS 3 on May 4, 2022 at 7:42 pm

    Sorry gonna stick with my second hand lufkin adj tri square, $20 dead on years of service 👍

  44. 07 Roadking on May 4, 2022 at 7:45 pm

    I used Imperial for years then i thought about how easy metric is think about it ? Imperial 117 5/16 ths + 47 3/16ths= ( ) now metric 118+48 =( ) now which one is easiest???? Let me know great reveiw also !!!!!

  45. Kevin Shea on May 4, 2022 at 7:46 pm

    Great review!! I was leaning towards the Banngood product because they get some high marks from Dennis at Hooked on Wood and the Woodpeckers are so costly. Based on your review I think I will save up for the Woodpeckers. You pointed out several facts that changed my mind. Thanks!!

  46. Michael Bae on May 4, 2022 at 7:50 pm

    This is a warning to anyone purchasing Bang good wood working items. I purchased a large order of wood working tools and two of the items have quality issues (i.e. do not work or are manufactured incorrectly). I have been going back and forth with them to try and have them refund or do not work. They are actively trying to give me the run around and telling me I need to pay for return shipping. If your item has any issues, be very wary. I have spent weeks going back and forth with their customer support and refuse to honor their own warranty. On top of that, items were delayed shipping by a month, even though I paid for expedited shipping.

    I would not buy again.

  47. martino amello on May 4, 2022 at 7:50 pm

    The good old Empire.. Been using mine far too long.. Time to move on..

  48. Let's go Brandon on May 4, 2022 at 7:50 pm

    Pretty sure the difference between Woodpecker and Banggood is that Banggood is a cheap Chinese counterfeit model while the Woodpecker version is a USA designed, made and sold product.

  49. glen paul on May 4, 2022 at 7:51 pm

    The T200 being metric doesn’t compare to the 851. The USA market uses Imperial so they should offer the T200 in Imperial…otherwise it’s useless here. Woodpecker makes great tools but they are very expensive. An alternative is needed with similar quality but a more reasonable ptice. I-Gauging may be an alternstive. I recently bought one of their combination squares for $45. compared to the Woodpecker at $180. It seems to be a quality tool but doesn’t have all the features of the Woodpecker.

  50. Brian Smith on May 4, 2022 at 7:51 pm

    The only difference is woodpecker tools are highly overpriced only a moron would waste that much money on a tool